110th Madeira Consorcio Meeting 16.11.2019

Nov 17, 2019 at 6:51 pm | Posted in Posts | Leave a comment

After our usual fight with technology, we saw the following TED talk about the new Story humankind needs to get out of the mess:


The Speaker was right that greed and dishonesty on the side of the state, the media and the bankers are the problem now. Communism, free market economy and other systems didn’t work. A new story needs to focus on the Commons idea.

We came to religion right away, and some of us have a problem with organized religion. C. said that she met some members of the Bahá’í faith and that a communication between the religious groups is in order. Cl. said that bridges need to be built between opposing groups. Most of the time, we all stay in our comfort zone, to be confronted with opinions we are in agreement with. Bridges should be between people of different views. One should be able to speak to alt-right people as well. Things are never black and white only.

Historically, people depended on each other to complete tasks, today we do not need other person to accomplish things, this isolates us.

The Social Media claim to create community but it is not true. Community happens between people who meet in person and really talk to each other. Although: some such “real” groups have their start in the internet, e.g. through Madeira Interactive  who created sub-groups who have meet-ups.

We spoke about the idea to pay for internet services, to regain ad-free lives and avoid being spied on. If these service providers do not need to sell us ads because we pay for the access, they don’t need to spy on us.

Things that are free are not being appreciated. One “old” internet nerd suggested to his colleagues that the ads-based model is bad and that the community needs to turn things around and start charging for the use if the internet.


The pricing of access to the Internet should be flexible because people poorer countries may not have, say 5€, to pay for the access per month. A basic package should be free, and above that, prices should increase incrementally for people in the Western world who can afford it. This way, a mixed calculation would work for the service provider.

J. said there is a custom in Naples where a person pays for 2 coffees in order to enable a poor person to get a free coffee in the same snack bar. (It is not known if the second cup is actually served to somebody). The idea is nice.

Also, if the Internet was not completely free, and if we paid for emails, the use of the system would decrease, and we would save a lot of energy for computer warehouses, electricity and cooling these systems.

An Internet we have to pay for is more valuable, slenderer and would likely deliver less rubbish.

The problem is that people are stuck in consumerism and they have strange priorities: H & J have a house in their neighborhood which has no window panes and a broken door; apparently, people are living in there (easy to spy on, no curtains), but they have a mobile phone in their hands.

The Internet joins people who have things in common but it does not create community.

K. & Cl. tried to create an Art Network online, offering “Art Walks” in the area around the Gallery but people are not interested to join up.

We came to the conclusion that people have lost their sense of purpose in life. Spirituality is not part of people’s lives but we all need such direction somehow.

C. is sure that she has/had a ghost in the house in Northern Portugal, and she has a good connection to God. She says that our life should be such that we, when we get into paradise, don’t mess it up like this Earth.

On the other hand, if there is a God, how can he permit the atrocities we see (Cl.)?

U. said that one answer to the question why we exist for us is “we represent the complexity and harmony of the universe”. Other, deeper meanings have to be worked out by each person him/herself.

Meditation and contemplation should be taught to the children in all schools; it has been proved that their learning gets better, and the aggression levels go down.

D. mentioned a TED Talk about plastic pollution in the third world but I haven’t been able to find it yet

Another TED talk about recycling in India:


We’ll have a Christmas Lunch or Dinner in Funchal but the dates/times have to be worked out yet (no workshop meeting in December).


109th Madeira Consorcio Meeting 18.10.2019

Oct 20, 2019 at 9:50 am | Posted in Posts | Leave a comment

 We had an excursion to the IGA Water Treatment plant in Sta. Quiteria (very near the Madeira Shopping).

Engineer D.S. and his assistant gave us a three-hour tour and showed us every nook and cranny, they are very proud of their work.

Sta. Quiteria – one of 10 such paces on the island – is much larger than it looks from outside, it consists of several floors, and on the lower basement the water is in a big tank before it gets introduced into the public water network. Lots of pipes and tanks, and half of the system, built in 1976, is not even in use yet as it is not needed. The website is http://www.aguasdamadeira.pt/

The most important points we took away from the visit:

  • The incoming water quality has improved because the population stopped throwing rubbish and old electric appliances into the river beds.
  • The water is treated in several stages and with chloride gas, and this gas has to “last” until our water faucets. We can then let it evaporate by simply letting the water rest in a jar.
  • New products are used to flock out the organic residue in the incoming water (mind you: this is only about fresh water, not sewage)
  • The water quality needs to be checked and leveled out more than in the old days.
  • The water quality is very good, it can be said that is it’s of better quality than “Agua de Luz”
  • They have a great many security measures to make sure that the chloride gas doesn’t escape from the plant.
  • The new “telemetragem” oversight is in the station in S. Roque
  • The water we have in Sta. Quiteria comes from the North, via Encumeada and other ridges to Covão in Curral das Freiras.
  • There is a map which shows where the water comes from:
  • http://www.aguasdamadeira.pt/Portals/0/Documentos/Mapa_Madeira_interactivo.pdf
  • The water is also used to produce electricity and to produce energy for the pumps needed to clean the sand filters. Eng. Sousa switched this cleaning process on for us, it was quite impressive!
  • The best way to save water is for the municipalities to replace the old broken pipes, they are still losing a great amount of water!
  • If water becomes scarce in Summer, some of it has to be redirected to some private Levada water companies who have a right to receive water for their agriculture: there is plenty of politics in it as well.

In November, we are planning a TED talk/Discussion in the usual meeting place again.

108th Madeira Consorcio Meeting 14.9.2019

Sep 15, 2019 at 11:01 am | Posted in Posts | Leave a comment

We met in RESTOCK, again with a small group because some of our members couldn’t come.

The video we saw:

Universal Basic Income (UBI) Raf Manji

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EluxCgnQVzg  16 min, from Dec 2016

Raf is for the Universal income and thinks it can be financed through financial tools which are used to create more money for the economy by accounting.

He says that with a UBI, we could eliminate the entire Government welfare administration.

Several trials have been run in some European countries:


Finland has stopped it.

Some arguments in the group for it:

it gives poor people the possibility to partake in society and in culture, to go to cinema or visit a museum. If the basic needs are met, people have the opportunity to express themselves as human beings.

Cl. suggested, that with the money drawn from buying back bonds, the German Government could support 100.000 people with a basic income of 2000€ net/month. They could be chosen by lottery, and as part of an experiment, the test would show what they would do with the opportunity.

Microloans in Bangladesh, India and Africa, show that money given to poor people results in a higher income not only for them but also for the whole community where the loans were received.

The discussion then veered off to the bigger problems of the world:

  • consumption has to be lower than now, to lower CO2 and promote sustainability
  • with automation, there should be less production of goods that are now foisted upon the consumer by marketing
  • citizens are not aware that they, when buying a cheap product, are buying a product that cannot be repaired later
  • producers build in break-point weaknesses into the products to ensure that consumers need to replace broken items later.
  • industrial design should aim at sustainability and recycling from the start
  • toasters, for example, should be built from a few, easily replaceable part

Japan has collected millions of unused mobile phones from its citizens and retrieved around 2 tons of gold and 400 tons of silver from them for re-utilization.

Cl. said that the western world, citizens are now producing an average of 11 tons of CO2, this needs to go down to 4 tons, if we want to stop climate change. Technology can produce goods with less CO2 output.


What we can do :

Following the discussion, here are two Repair/Maker contacts:

Repair guys (TV, Videos, household items)
in Arco da Calheta:

Electroeste , Sr. Antonio

ER 225, Estrada do Arco 17

Tel 291 822072, email somimagemcalheta@gmail.com

In Funchal

VideoMad ,Sr. Rodrigues

Rua da Velha Ajuda 47 (or in the bar next door, Sr. Rodrigues runs that as well)

Tel 291 761186, no email, people

In social Media, such info about Repairs/Makers, should be permanently available, and should not be swept away be the daily input of new info.

The good news is that citizens are waking up to the fact that consumption has to be lowered. Some big companies want to exploit the Lithium deposits in Portugal and public opinion is starting to be against it. Even the Portuguese are learning how to protest. If a petition is ignored – as can easily be the case – the protest organisations have to insist (as in the case of the fishermen’s houses on Culatra island). But some protests fail, such as the ones Gil Canha made against Quinta do Lorde and the destruction of Minas Gerais for the La Vie shopping complex.

Back to the UBI:

It should be accompanying, as said, in the video, by duties.

One proposal was to oblige recipients to do (and be able to prove) volunteer work for the society, as many women are going already for the family and elders. Such volunteering is an expression of the self and might lead to more work for others, restoring the “we” feeling.

K. found a good link which explains it well, by an association that advocates for it:

Unconditional Basic Income Europe (UBIE) is an international network of activists and initiatives.



There are two other talks about it:

Marin Ford  – how we‘ll earn money

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swB7Ivct8d8 15 min

The Trojan Horse – by ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7sgv1VCRSs  12 min

We also briefly touched on Brexit – no surprise – and we did not talk about Trump – big surprise!


107th Madeira Consorcio Meeting 20.7.2019

Jul 21, 2019 at 11:32 am | Posted in Posts | Leave a comment

Hello Team,

We met in RESTOCK again, again with a smaller group because some of our members couldn’t come.

We used a Gallery space downstairs for the viewing of the TED talk, and then moved to the breeze outside.

The video we saw:

Cesar Hidalgo- Augmented democracy with digital agents


Cesar Hidalgo points out that very few people vote, and the voters are disappointed that their will is not being followed through by the politicians elected, he proposes an augmented democracy model.

In this model, each voter should create a digital assistant or avatar, who knows his/her preferences and will accordingly, whenever a vote comes up. Such a digital assistant can be controlled at will and if doing well, can be used to delegate the issues, also to other persons/experts who will have mote time to get into the details of an issue

There was greet skepticism that Cesar’s approach will change things because the politicians currently in power, once elected, do not have to listen to the electorate. But Cesar’s approach is disruptive, and if it is picked up from NGO’s and private initiatives and grows from the bottom up, the politicians may well have to listen in the future if they want to be re-elected.

The will to stay in power is the reason why politicians listen to polls, on the other hand, they mainly listen to their followers and try to ignore their opposition.

With the internet, Politicians’ actions become more transparent; more and more are being caught with misbehaviour and have to leave their posts. The internet gives more options to the citizens to compare what the politicians say before an election and what they follow through afterwards.

In this age, we have to curb the growth of production and the exploitation of the resources, otherwise there will be social unrest. This will also force politicians to change their minds.

Public referendums are a way for the people’s will to overturn the politicians’ intentions; this happened recently in Bavaria, where an initiative to save the bees was incorporated in law.

We ought not to look only on the big and well-known politicians, many politicians do a good job on a local level.

But politicians will always have to make compromises.

Switzerland has a law obliging the citizens to vote so they do get themselves informed before a vote comes up

Ce. said that the split between the main parties does not represent the will of the people.

J. pointed out that specialists are needed to decide on complicated issues.

We spoke a lot about the German political scene, and then tried to get away from it to a broader view. We also tried not to talk about Trump.

There used to be very few, big parties in the old days, nowadays the field is wider and more varied. Still the party decision on one issue can be against the will of a voter who voted for this party in general. Voting should be more to the point and more refined to give a better picture of what the electorate (at here: the people who think about these issues at all) think.

U. suggested a kind of excel file, which every citizen could fill out pre-emptively, to enter their preferences and votes in a block chain system (Claus sad that block chain system can be hacked as well).

A definition of block chain is here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blockchain

Another nice TED talk, but a dream not coming true: is to elect citizens at random to become politicians, here is the talk:


Another great idea is to make a law that states that laws and public documents have to be written in plain language; the Scots seem to have done it:


Maybe politicians in today’s world are people who didn’t like to work in the stressful private industry?

Other issues:

The “Participatory Budget” in Funchal doesn’t take place, probably because the Regional Government installed a Participatory Budget for the whole island to the tune of 2.5 Mio €.The budget process started in Ribeira Brava and will tour through all districts. It will probably be too late for the prep and voting in October. But it is a good sum, to be given into the hands of the citizens!


106th Madeira Consorcio Meeting 11.5.2019

May 12, 2019 at 6:34 pm | Posted in Posts | Leave a comment

We met in RESTOCK again, a smaller group because some of our members couldn’t come.

The video we saw:

Carole Cadwallar – Facebook’s role in Brexit — and the threat to democracy


Later it was discovered that Russian Troll factories had produced the  “Leave” mis-information on behalf rich influencers.


The journalist went to Wales to find out why the population voted for “leave”, although the area received a lot of financial support for from the EU. She found that Facebook had manipulated the vote with lying ads (“The Turks are going to join Europe” and the like), and that this is a criminal offense in Britain

Carol’s presentation was heartfelt, but also seen as weak because she attacked Facebook and not the Government which should be doing something about this. Governments are at fault if something like this happens.

The second thought some of us had was that the population is “dumb” and that these people should not be allowed to vote…

Although the place in Wales received lots of funds from the EU, one young man said that “the EU has done nothing for me”. Maybe it is really about jobs and money for the simple folks. Soccer stadiums or swimming pools are not it.

Ca. said that the British Government has not explained the advantages of the EU membership properly, and that the British still have an island mentality and still dream of independence from the continent. They think they can keep their resources to themselves and keep immigrants out.

Facebook was asked by nine Governments to report about the ad campaigns they ran in the respective countries. But the questions Mark Zuckerberg received in the US Congress showed that the Government is not capable of asking the pertinent questions so he could avoid any blame.

Cl. suggested that Facebook should be broken up to weaken its market dominance, like other big private companies; this has been done before. Governments have the power to do this.

Facebook has the wealth of 96 of the world’s countries combined.

Cl. said that the “people” have always been lied to by their Governments, it used to be lies in the papers, now it is lies in the Internet. We don’t know what effect these lies had and have, this cannot be measured. We are talking only about election fraud and manipulation because of the “Leave” vote, otherwise nobody would inquire about the manipulations which happened.

Ca. said that there is a tool to manipulate viewers, also in TV, hyper-information (sorry, no info in Wikipedia). Fast snippets of ads or statements are flashed to the viewer’s; this information is passing too fast to be recognized by the “conscious” brain. This way, the information goes right into the subconscious and is not being filtered by any brain control system. So people may not be dumb, they are just receiving information and statements without being aware of it, and they are taking wrong decisions based in this dis-information.

It doesn’t help that too much information is available by too many channels. The people don’t know how to choose a point when the variety is overwhelming; they resort to info they can easily identify with, and exclude the rest. Life has become too complex, slogans are easy to follow.

Politicians confuse us deliberately, to stay in power and get high salaries.

People distrust the politicians because most if them are well-off or millionaires now. On the other hand, they cannot hide their misdeeds nowadays as easily as before, Some are even kicked out if they seem to be morally corrupt (Iceland)

U. spoke about a working piece of democracy, the “participatory Budget” in Funchal. Unfortunately, the respective website http://op.cm-funchal.pt/ has not been updated, yet. U.  called the City Hall, they are saying that they are delayed. U. will write to the Jornal to have them ask the City Hall and maybe write about the delay.

Ca. said that the Greek theatre was a democratic tool in ancient Greece. Theatres were quite big in the cities, and plays, dramas as well as comedies, were used as metaphors to display and transport values, they were viewed by almost the whole population. The plays started discussions in the population about pertinent issues, and everybody was better informed because of this.

A philosopher said “the world is made up of stories” https://www.wisdompubs.org/book/world-made-stories

Freedom is not a given state for a country, we need to defend freedom and democracy against Facebook and the like. The EU is a strong group, only strong groups can resist the might that China and Russia in confronting Europe.

Politicians and big companies should be held to account. U.  suggested that, as in jury duty, citizens selected by lottery should be empowered for six months or so to check public administrations and politicians, accompanying the day-to-day business to see how they are working, with the power to administer changes and even fire people. This would give the power by to the people.

Our resumé: Democracy is about money.


Other info:

Another interesting video about the dangers to democracy:

Yuval Harari – Nationalism vs. fascism


Yuval says that governments are not in power anymore, the companies which have our data are now in power.

105th Madeira Consorcio Meeting 16.3.2019

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We met in the RESTOCK workshop room again, and the meeting went very well!

Do. came up with the topic for the evening“Social Media Addiction”. He chose two videos:

Is Social Media Hurting Your Mental Health? by Bailey Parnell   15 min


Social Media addiction  13 min


Negative aspects of Social Media:

  • Social Media are addictive, as explained in the video, especially for younger people who are still insecure in their roles and tend to compare themselves to their peers.  They derive a false sense of belonging and importance from the excessive use.
  • Lonely people pour their souls out into the Internet, basically to nowhere, and hope to be “seen”.
  • Social media split people apart and replace real social interaction.
  • Many people us fake names and harass and insult others with impunity; they lose their sense of respect and decency because the attacked persons are far away.
  • The effectiveness of Social Media decreases with time, as more and more Fluff or Noise is put out there.
  • Mouth-to-mouth recommendations are much more effective that any Social Media campaign.
  • Nobody know how Social Media are going to develop from here.
  • 15% of the world energy consumption is due to the Internet.

Positive aspects of Social Media:

  • Websites such as Do.’s classic photos of Madeira, and the Dutch group which stays in touch (both monitored).
  • Long distance family connections work instantly and give a feeling of togetherness.
  • People can stay be in the loop with their friends and family but do not need to comment on just any photo that is posted.
  • It is a great tool to tell stories and present yourself, as long as marketing is not involved.

Here are some links to Do.’s sites, who monitors everything, he manages “internet etiquette”:

Madeira Quase Esquecida (Facebook page): https://www.facebook.com/MadeiraQuaseEsquecida/

Madeira Quase Esquecida (Instagram): https://www.instagram.com/madeiraquaseesquecida/

The story about the project ‘Madeira Quase Esquecida’ via AprenderMadeira (in Portuguese): http://aprenderamadeira.net/madeira-quase-esquecida/

Social Media in themselves are not intrinsically bad, the use can be bad or good, similar to cars or guns. But cars need a driving license and guns needs permissions (at least in Europe)

As for driving, there should be an education for parents and children, to warn about the dangers and refrain from addictive use. It should be made clear that the opinions of strangers on the internet are not paramount.

The definition of “friend” has been distorted by Facebook, but there are levels there that most people don’t know about: “acquaintances” and “good friends” also exist. If somebody is blocked from a site by an administrator because of bad behavior, they simply cannot get in anymore, they don’t receive a “justification”.

Social media are a necessity for businesses – like it or not – and can be a necessary evil for people with a public profile. C. as surgeon cannot avoid it, it would create bad will if he didn’t have a FB page, people might slander him for not having a FB page because they will try to contact him in FB (of course, he doesn’t answer any medical questions on FB).

Cl. thinks the Social Media in all (Do. says that they are many more than just the big Five) are evil. They are using behavioral science to manipulate the users and get their data to sell to other companies.

The fact is that emails are still free. If emails or tweets were to cost at least a cent (and people would have to log in to a payment system and show their identity to pay for it) then the amount of emails would drop drastically and the slanderous use would be curbed.

Ce. said that we used to get our information from journalists, philosophers, priests and teachers who put their energy into understanding the issues and explaining them to us. If the internet was had to be paid for, these groups would regain their importance and could again do a good job.

Social Media should be monitored at all times; we have seen with the events in Christchurch that attackers will post on the Internet to gain “fame” and “likes” bad content must be monitored and removed immediately.

Social Media should be used better, and everybody should have an education on it.

K. recommends a book on the topic, a novel by Sophie Kinsella” “My not so perfect Life” about a woman’s dive into Social Media and the way out of it.

Other info:

The Wikipedia Info for the European elections:


At the bottom of the page, there is a description of the coalitions/alliances which have been established; from there one can click on the coalition names and see which European parties make up this alliance.


72 Madeira Consorcio Meeting 18.8.2015

Mar 17, 2019 at 6:43 pm | Posted in Posts | Leave a comment

U. reported that the Madeira Consorcio actually has a true fan from France. He is following our Blog since some time, and asked for a meeting when he comes over after August 28, to discuss some projects he has in mind. U. will meet with him; depending on the meeting time, we can see who else can participate.

U. mentioned an article (SPIEGEL; not available in English) that Social Media are taking over state functions: in a small city in Spain, citizens can tweet pothole photos and info about broken street lights to the City Hall, who fix it the problem and tweet proof of the repair within 24 hours. This way, Social Media systems create a parallel state.

D. told us about another parallel state which worked very well: the Canadian province of Quebec had a Theocracy for hundreds of years, where the Church provided all social services, and Sunday church service attendance was at 90% – it was important to see and be seen.. After the province became part of the rest of Canada, the number dropped to 20%.

Another result of the proliferation of Smartphone services will be that UBER and other services will send driverless cars on the roads, and citizens will stop buying cars, as they can easily have a car at hand within a short time, without the cost of acquisition, taxes and insurance. An upside of this is that roads will be uncongested and parking will cease to be a problem. The downside is that taxi drivers and similar profession will be out of work.

Last time, the group decided to do a hands-on project and help E. establish his dream of Arte Sanna bread. In our discussion, we deducted that the project has the following points to be taken care of:


  1. The project and the product need a good name, to help get a grip on it. We made a brainstorming on this and next time the, pros and cons have to be discussed:


Arte Sanna Breads Sour Dough Delight Tão Pão! Golden Bread Ganas Flute
Massa Critica Upper Crust Top Slice Best Slice Crumbs
Bio Crumbs Bio Crust Organic Crust The Good Grain Bread with Passion
Passion Bread Ancestral Breads Ancestral Leavening Ancestral Wheats Bread Heaven


These proposals should be weighed based on the questions:

  • What is the target group?
  • English / International or Portuguese?
  • Can we have a “hybrid” name, understood by all?
  • Who is the target group? Egberto already has potential customers in Switzerland and other countries


2 We need a good text/ slogan/ resumé about the special quality to justify a higher price (Madeira grains, clean water /air /soil, locally made, no CO2 waste for transport, ancestral, unspoiled not manipulated, clean, rustic, etc.. Dennis and Ursula will work on Egberto’s base text to extract this.


3 We need to choose a crowdfunding site from




and study their conditions – how they will be paid, and what Egberto can give as thank you/prize to the subscribers.


4 We spoke about the size of Egberto’s bread, in comparison to Bruno’s goods. Smaller packages with 1/10 of content can command a higher price; a big loaf of 1 kg for 10€ has the same value but is more difficult to sell to cost conscious customers. Egberto`s bread cannot be produced in muffin size – the chemical process behind it won’t work – but it can be sliced and packaged in smaller portions.


5 We need good photos and a snappy video of max. 3-5 minutes with a good music track for the site. Ricardo can do this. Egberto has found two good videos as examples.


Aberdeen: The Bread Maker Charity http://youtu.be/LuxRlOeWjmc,


Very Nice: Australia: Barossa Sour Dough https://vimeo.com/70760988


Other videos about the subject:

The Grain Divide Documentary http://thegraindivide.com/ with trailer at https://vimeo.com/104358546


and Dan Barber with a video at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbdj76Og9HE&feature=youtu.be


6 We need a good location (purchase, parking, walk-in potential, visibility) in FNC for the Bakery with shop (no coffee served). If somebody can think of such a place, please investigate and tell the group!

There is a new bakery at Largo de Camoes in Lisbon which is doing very well – Location, location, location…


7 We need to fix the amount of money we’ll try to get through crowdfunding, we should probably ask for more than Egberto has planned for.


8 Export: the transport options need to be explored for later, it would have to be air freight, for freshness, or frozen.


9 Packaging /Presentation: better than Bruno’s, like “Segurelha” cookies, Logo, labels, closing clip, etc.


10 A good online sales shop.


What else do we need to consider? Please give feedback to the group!


Source: http://thegraindivide.com/, don’t use it!




Other stuff:


Egberto sent us a link about composting of human bodies:



The Madeira Tourism Minister Eduardo Jesus actually had a good idea: He will export some Toboggans to Lisbon to have Tourists slide down from Chiado to the Baixa, good advertising for Madeira!



Ursula will try to set up a visit to the EEM Energy Station Vitoria in Socorridos for WEDNESDAY 16.9.2015, at 7pm sharp (alternative: Marine Biology Station conference room)


See you then!


104th Madeira Consorcio Meeting 16.1.2019

Feb 17, 2019 at 12:35 pm | Posted in Posts | Leave a comment
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We met in a new venue the RESTOCK workshop room in Armazém do Mercado and I think it went very well!

The owners did a great job in providing and managing the technology  and we enjoyed the videos and then ensuing discussion.

The videos were:

  1. A Talk by Leon Berg about the art of listening with the “Council” way:


  1. Julian Treasure: 5 way to listen better:


The art of listening is under threat by the influx of media information we are receiving. C. said that we need to deliberately speak to persons who are not of our opinion, and try to understand them.

This, almost automatically, lead to Donald Trump, who does not display great talent in this area.

Cl. volunteered to portray Trump, and he did a great job in arguing from this standpoint, we had a lot of fun with that!!  Trump’s arguments for a wall to Mexico and a trade war were the main points.

There was the argument that the success Trump and other such political personalities have, is based on fear-mongering. Drugs are not coming across the US Mexican border, they are coming in planes and trucks, and M. knows somebody “inside” who told him that even the CIA is involved in the flourishing drug trade to the US today, as they were back in Vietnam and Laos. There is a movie about the events back then: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_America_(film)

So a wall wouldn’t help to solve this problem.

The trade war: our “Trump” argued that as China has grown disproportionally, the old trade deals are unfair and must be revoked.

The argument went that Trump is just a façade for the people who are really in charge (Have a look at Noam Chomsky: “Donald Trump is a Distraction” on YouTube: https://youtu.be/uQvig0KvUaE)

D. said that 1% of the world population, the rich, are really managing the USA. Democracy is not supposed to work like this.

G said that the people who are really in power, manipulate the legislation to be in their favour and they will not be voted or kicked out of office like Trump. They will remain in power, and we have no way of identifying them and des-empowering them.

Do. said that Trump is a perfect actor for this kind if disguise, and that he will be even more powerful once he is out of office, he will remain a big “influencer” for years to come.

We also spoke about the fact that less and less people are voting. Cl. – as Himself – pointed out that most of the first-time voters in the 2016 election in the US voted for Trump so he managed to get out the vote. (Voting in the US takes place on a Tuesday, instead of on the weekend.)

Fact checking websites can be found here:


If any team member comes across an info, listing the Portuguese party programmes and affiliations for the European elections in May, please let U.know, this can be distributed to the whole group so that we know what we are voting for.

Other info:u!

One upcoming topic might be a discussion about the speed in which we are being fed news, and if we shouldn’t deliberately slow down our intake.



103rd Madeira Consorcio Meeting 12.1.2019

Jan 13, 2019 at 12:38 pm | Posted in Posts | Leave a comment

We met in U’s place to watch two videos on the Moral Limits of Markets:

Michael Sandel, philosophy professor from the US:


Sandel spoke about cash incentives for children to read books, a contested issue.

He also made the point that nowadays, people of affluence and smaller means do not mix anymore like they used to (like in a football stadium) because people of affluence can and do buy services which allows them to separate themselves from the simple folks.

TEDsters are asking to counterbalance this development: People should actively and deliberately meet with people of other opinions and levels to speak to each other. Citizens should demand accountability from their politicians in regular Q & A sessions. The politicians who do not shy away from this, are doing well in public opinion (Angela Merkel does this on a regular basis, live on TV.

The definition of “community” is changing from the village type community to the internet community. Much of this does not look like a community at all because it isolates people from each other, but some communities are working well, such as Wikipedia.

Michael Sandel made another great video about this topic with students from all over the world on the same topic; we didn’t watch it because the audio is not great, but here is the link:


We also watched a TED talk by Kate Raworth, she makes the point that economies should thrive but not grow anymore:


We are overshooting the resources of this planet and still not saving everyone from poverty but we could avoid it. New technologies need to be applied to regulate this. Will this take place???

Other info:

Bio-Magnetism: U. is tired of talking about it, let’s do it!

U. gave out some magnet pairs to the couples in attendance, to combat bacteria, viruses etc. with a simple application of the magnets (clad in leather) for 20 minutes on the troubled spot, eg. on an ear infection or a tooth nerve.

The magnets balance the PH and kill the offending bacteria so this is good to treat local small inflammation

For prevention, is also great, e.g. to keep the sinuses clean.

If you have bigger health problems, it’s always best to consult one of the therapists. Here in Madeira, we have several therapists who offer the treatment .(U has the contacts)



102nd Madeira Consorcio Meeting 10.11. 2018

Nov 11, 2018 at 3:01 pm | Posted in Posts | Leave a comment
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We met in Ilheus for our meeting and for a delicious dinner.

The topic was “overpopulation” and we watched two videos:

Alexandra Paul – Overpopulation facts – the problem no one will discuss


Hans Rosling – Why the world population won’t exceed 11 billion


The argument that the world population will level at 11 billion, was not accepted by all members. This may or may not happen.

The west cannot simply export its recipes of preservation or curbing population growth to the third world

Education, especially for girls and women, would be essential. Contraceptives must be provided for people who wish to lower the number of their offspring but only if they can see that the few children they have, can and will survive infancy.

The internet is a driving force behind the curbing of overpopulation because if poor people in third world countries have access to it, they have an incentive to get education to lift themselves up to higher levels of income for shoes, bikes, scooters, washing machines, cars…

But the first world is robbing the third world of resources and health.

The resources may already be depleted too much to avoid big catastrophes.

The fate of Humankind may already be sealed.

Nature – Gaia – is a self-correcting system, it may already be “working” to bring humankind to extinction. Gaia is a huge pond with fish in it – us – and our species can be regulated by several factors.

New diseases are coming up, and aggression between people may lead to war which would decimate the population. Water is an essential, scarce good, which already leads to conflicts between peoples.

What to do:

Religion has to be part of the solution – a handrail for simple folks – , but it has to adapt and may move (back) into the direction of morality and/or spirituality, to support sustainability and other people in need.

The hope rests with younger people who may not want to accept the old ways of exploitation. But they may not be successful with new initiatives because of the blockage of the older generations. Progress moves forward by a series of funerals…

The latest news: plastic nano-particles find their way into water and soil, and enter the human body through food. In the body’s cells, there they may impede the energy production of the mitochondria. Nobody knows what that would mean for your bodies.

Gaia may win this one!

Other info:

G. sent us a interesting, short video about organic farming in India, integrating the community.

The website is here:


They have TULSI teas:


U showed her calligraphy  Hana (from Japan) is giving classes in the “Armazem do Mercado” behind the market, on Wednesdays and Saturdays from 11.20 – 13h (10€, including material). She also does origami, and she is pondering to give Japanese language lessons.


An ingenious, simple system to determine and find addresses worldwide via the words in an app:

https://what3words.com/ the world is sliced into  3 m2 spaces, every one with a unique “name.”

An example: Rua do Aljube 61  has “prefer.hamster.spirit”-  no joke…



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