118 Madeira Consorcio Meeting 22.05.2021

May 23, 2021 at 3:10 pm | Posted in Posts | Leave a comment
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After a long break (since November), we finally had a meeting again in the Gallery.  

The Topic for this month was “Business Ethics”:

https: //www.ted.com/talks/alexander_wagner_what_really_motivates_people_to_be_honest_in_business

Alexander Wagner is a researcher and economist, the talk was interesting, even a bit uplifting, but it should have a had a psychological part as well which an economist cannot deliver.

Mr. Wager tested people on their ethics and found that they have “protected values” which the participants respect even if they forego a money gain if they ignore the values. Good news..

Business can give Rules of Good Conduct, or incentives which may backfire and lead people to digress, or they can hire god people who have these protected values.

He didn’t answer the question how to look into people’s brains and find out what their ethics are.

There were some big ethics failures in Companies, from BBC to Chernobyl, maybe now also AstraZeneca. Michael J said that the decision makers want to avoid being caught, and their good name is in danger if they get caught but everyone has a price. A coffee shop owner was put on display in 1990 in Portugal because he had overcharged 5 escudos to some clients, and still today, such a rip-off happens to tourists (or people who look like tourists) in small businesses. On the other hand, in Kenia, due to the Pandemic and the loss of tourism, local people pay less in tourist spots and learn to see the beauty of their land because the prices are affordable for them.

The big corporations have no such qualms, look at the German auto industry scam with the help from Bosch software. Darwin rules, it is a fight with the competition, and every company wants to survive and gain profits. Michael J say that the Devil made the 20th century …

How to counter such tendencies? By educating the children well and with a functioning religion.

People have become more egoistic, it is a “me” economy, self-care, especially for the young people. But in middle age, persons usually turn toward “inside” and perceive that egoism doesn’t serve them anymore

Christianity asks for sacrifices, for the good of others. We also spoke of confession. It is often misunderstood as a “carte blanche” which it isn’t. You are only forgiven in Confession if the priest believes you are repentant. Again, can we look into the person’s head?

Drug abuse has increased (although there always was alcohol abuse) because people don’t know their purpose in life. Contemplative prayer, which is being taught by Father Richard Rohr (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Rohr ) to young priests, should also be done in church. (Listening prayer and contemplative practices are done in the Anglican Church.)

Cl. sad that studies showed that in all big world religions, suicide, drug abuse and adultery are evenly distributed, which shows that the big religions do not have the answers for these people. With our western lifestyle, pressure on people makes them do things they would not do if they didn’t have to feed a family and keep the job.

Cl. said that Codes of Conduct in companies are bullshit, they don’t work Banking is the worst cheating industry. And corruption is a slow process: people may start out optimistic in a company and slowly be converted by the company culture to accept wrong behaviour.

We have to make compromises in life. Cl. and K. want to visit their daughter in Germany and have to take the flight, although they would want to avoid the CO2 emission.

C. told the story that after the 2010 flood, people couldn’t use the tap water and Hiper Sà increased the price on bottled water. The people never forgot that behaviour and the company went down from then on.

But: There are positive economist models e.g. the Doughnut economy


Some cities (Amsterdam) are already using this model.

We also spoke about measuring the economy. We should get away from the Gross Domestic Product (in the Pandemic, the measure R(t) is not that important anymore, the number of intensive beds used it now more preside to measure the situation etc.)

The state of Bhutan makes surveys and uses a Happiness Index of their people, this is how the Government checks if it is doing a good job:



28 Madeira Consórcio meeting minutes (ToBinG) 11.4.2013 (excerpt)

Apr 12, 2013 at 11:35 am | Posted in Posts | Leave a comment
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28 Madeira Consórcio reunião (ToBinG) 11.4.2013

Olá equipe,
como foram apenas alguns de nós, falamos sobre as ideias em andamento, D e U veiam com umas ideias novas, e depois tivemos uma discussão muito animado sobre Coreia do Norte,

As idéias:
U contactou dois contatos para investidores para o projeto de DV.

O carpinteiro E trabalha com N na base para a cesta.

O dossiê do casamento deve, finalmente, ser publicada no novo site http://www.contraditorio.com esta ou na próxima semana.

O DRAC organiza um passeio pela cidade no próximo sábado, 20 de abril, às 10h, a partir de Santa Maria Maior Igreja, terminando no porto. U vai com dois amigos (tinha que registrar com nome, telefone, tamanho do sapato, etc.)

U li um artigo numa revista alemã (Spiegel edição 6/2013) sobre um fenômeno chamado de “Atmosféric River Storm”. Este é um “rio” no céu que carrega uma grande quantidade de humidade para a costa oeste dos continentes. No artigo, os cientistas alertaram para o perigo de uma tempestade de bater Califórnia, que inundaria todo o estado por semanas.
U escreveu ao cientista e perguntou-lhe se tinha uma tal tempestade em 20 de fevereiro de 2010. Ele verificou os registros e confirmou. U enviou a informação ao E e a uma jornalista no Diário. Ela entrará em contato com o Serviço Meterologico Nacional para perguntar-lhes se eles têm os meios para detectar esse fenômeno também. Se assim for, não era só para alertar que uma tempestade se aproxima, mas também que as pessoas devem ficar longe do litoral, os rios, e os parques de estacionamento. As obras que estão sendo feitas nos rios neste momento podem não ser capaz evitar outras fortes inundações.

Então, discutimos (após 20h) Coreia do Norte, o fato de que nós temos que dar informações pessoais até mesmo para comprar um pneu, e outras coisas interessantes.

Atenção: precisamos de mais participantes para este grupo – se você conhece uma pessoa pró-ativa com idéias e vontade de melhorar as coisas, por favor entrar em contato com U


Vitor  iniciou o seu serviço de entrega de produtos, é no Facebook. Após o login, você pode solicitar uma pré-seleção para o conjunto de verduras,entregue nos sábados: https://www.facebook.com/cabaz.horticola (não ha preços na página)

Nossa organização:
Nosso Blog está em https://madeiraconsorcio.com/
Nosso grupo no Facebook está aqui: https://madeiraconsorcio.com/

O grupo Agricultura se reunirã em 18 de abril
O grupo de Turismo e Negócios irá reunir em 25 de abril


28 Madeira Consórcio meeting minutes (ToBinG) 11.4.2013

Hello Team,

as there were only a few of us, we spoke about the ongoing ideas, D and U came up with a few new ones, and then we had a very animated discussion on North Korea and other stuff

The ideas:

U contacted two investors contacts for the DVproject.

The carpenter  is working with N on the base for the basket

The Wedding Dossier should finally be published in the new www.contraditorio.com website this or next week.

The DRAC organizes a city walk next Saturday, April 20, at 10am, starting on the Santa Maria Maior Church, ending by the port. Ursula is going with two friends (had to register with name, tel, shoe size, etc). 

U read an article in a German magazine (SPIEGEL issue 6/2013) about a phenomenon called an “Atmospheric River Storm” (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmospheric_river ) . This is a ”river” in the sky that carries a lot of humidity to the west coasts of the continents. In the article, scientists warned of the danger of such a storm hitting California which would flood the entire state for weeks.

U wrote to the scientist and asked him if we had such a storm on Feb. 20, 2010. He checked the records and confirmed it. U sent the info on to E and to a journalist in the Diario. She will contact the National Wether Service and ask them if they have the means to detect this phenomenon as well. If so, they could not only warn that a storm is coming but also that people should stay away from the coastline, the rivers, and the parking garages. The works that are being done in the rivers at this time may not be able prevent another heavy flooding.

Then we discussed (after 8 pm) North Korea, the fact that we have to give personal details for even buying a tyre, and other interesting stuff.

Attention: we need more participating members for this group – if you know if a proactive person with ideas and the will to improve things, please get in touch with U!

Agriculture News

Vitor started his delivery service for produce, it is on Facebook. After logging in, you can order a pre-set selection for Saturdays at https://www.facebook.com/cabaz.horticola (no prices on the page)

Our organisation:

Our Blog is at https://madeiraconsorcio.wordpress.com/

Our Facebook group is here:https://madeiraconsorcio.com/

The Agriculture group with the new members will meet on April 18 

The Tourism & Business group will meet on April 25 


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